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Tuesday, September 13, 2011

Tea Party Debate: GOP Candidates Attack Perry But Newt Kept His Eye On The Ball


Governor Rick Perry walked on to the stage at the Tea Party debate last night as the official front runner according to the RCP average using a variety of polls from multiple organizations.

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal sat in the audience as Perry's guest after issuing a statement giving Perry his endorsement.

Jindal released a statement Monday saying, “Rick Perry is the candidate who can lead our party to victory in 2012."

“His record on job creation simply cannot be beat, and the one million jobs he’s helped create as governor is a stark contrast to the 2.4 million jobs lost on President Obama’s watch."


If Americans watching the debate didn't already know that Perry was the front runner in the field of GOP candidates which include the Mitt Romney, Ron Paul, Michele Bachmann, Newt Gingrich, Herman Cain, Rick Santorum and Jon Huntsman, they certainly would have figured it out fast enough by the way the GOP field of candidates piled up attacking Rick Perry on stage.

The headline on the original NYT article read "Perry Wears a Bull's-Eye at G.O.P. Debate," yet when clicking the link provided over at Memeorandum, the headline now reads "Perry Is Target as Republican Candidates Take Aim."

Politisite.com has provided transcripts of the debate, part one , two, three and four.

As I said in a previous post about the last debate, people truly interested in the answers the candidates gave, but didn't watch the debate, can click the four links above and read those answers. Determine and interpret them yourselves, no one needs a political pundit, writer, reporter or blogger telling them what they should or shouldn't think.

What I noticed clearly from last night and I will quote the whole segment here below, is that while Newt Gingrich is not my candidate of choice, he kept his eye on the ball, which is to unseat Obama in 2012.

BLITZER: Governor Perry, speaking of Social Security, you’ve said in the past it’s a Ponzi scheme, an absolute failure, unconstitutional, but today you wrote an article in USA Today saying it must be saved and reformed, very different tone. Why?

PERRY: Well, first off, the people who are on Social Security today need to understand something. Slam-dunk guaranteed, that program is going to be there in place for those. Those individuals that are moving towards being on Social Security, that program’s going to be there for them when they arrive there.

But the idea that we have not had the courage to stand up and look Americans in the face, young mid-career professionals or kids that are my children’s age and look them in the eye and said, listen, this is a broken system. It has been called a ponzi scheme by many people long before me. But no one’s had the courage to stand up and say, here is how we’re going to reform it.

We’re going to transform it for those in those mid-career ages, but we’re going to fix it so that our young Americans that are going out into the workforce today will know without a doubt that there were some people who came along that didn’t lie to them, that didn’t try to go around the edges and told them the truth.

BLITZER: Governor Romney, you said that Governor Perry’s position on Social Security is, quote, unacceptable and could even obliterate the Republican Party. Are you saying he could not, as Republican nominee, beat Barack Obama?

ROMNEY: No, what I’m saying is that what he just said, I think most people agree with, although the term ponzi scheme I think is over the top and unnecessary and frightful to many people. But the real issue is in writing his book, Governor Perry pointed out that in his view that Social Security is unconstitutional, that this is not something the federal government ought to be involved in, that instead it should be given back to the states.

And I think that view, and the view that somehow Social Security has been forced on us over the past 70 years that by any measure, again quoting book, by any measure Social Security has been a failure, this is after 70 years of tens of millions of people relying on Social Security, that’s a very different matter.

So the financing of Social Security, we’ve all talked about at great length. In the last campaign four years around, John McCain said it was bankrupt. I put in my book a series of proposals on how to get it on sound financial footing so that our kids can count on it not just our current seniors.

But the real question is does Governor Perry continue to believe that Social Security should not be a federal program, that it’s unconstitutional and it should be returned to the states or is he going to retreat from that view?

BLITZER: Let’s let Governor Perry respond. You have 30 seconds.

PERRY: If what you’re trying to say is that back in the ’30s and the ’40s that the federal government made all the right decision, I disagree with you. And it’s time for us to get back to the constitution and a program that’s been there 70 or 80 years, obviously we’re not going to take that program away. But for people to stand up and support what they did in the ’30s or what they’re doing in the 2010s is not appropriate for America .

ROMNEY: But the question is, do you still believe that Social Security should be ended as a federal program as you did six months ago when your book came out and returned to the states or do you want to retreat from taht?

PERRY: I think we ought to have a conversation.

ROMNEY: We’re having that right now, governor. We’re running for president.

PERRY: And I’ll finish this conversation. But the issue is, are there ways to move the states into Social Security for state employees or for retirees? We did in the state of Texas back in the 1980s. I think those types of thoughtful conversations with America, rather than trying to scare seniors like you’re doing and other people, it’s time to have a legitimate conversation in this country about how to fix that program where it’s not bankrupt and our children actually know that there’s going to be a retirement program there for them.

ROMNEY: Governor, the term ponzi scheme is what scared seniors, number one. And number two, suggesting that Social Security should no longer be a federal program and returned to the states and unconstitutional is likewise frightening.

Look, there are a lot of bright people who agree with you. And that’s your view. I happen to have a different one. I think that Social Security is an essential program that we should change the way we’re funding it. You called it a criminal…

PERRY: You said if people did it in the private sector it would be called criminal. That’s in your book.

ROMNEY: Yeah, what I said was…

(APPLAUSE)

ROMNEY: Governor Perry you’ve got to quote me correctly. You said it’s criminal. What I said was congress taking money out of the Social Security trust fund is like criminal and that is and it’s wrong.

BLITZER: Congressman Paul, let me expand this conversation. Do you agree with Governor Perry that Social Security is a Ponzi scheme?

PAUL: Well, I agree that Social Security is broke. We spent all the money and it’s on its last legs unless we do something. One bill that I had in congress never got passed was to prevent the congress from spending any of that money on the wars and all the nonsense that we do around the world.

Now the other thing that I would like to see done is a transition. I think it’s terrible that the Social Security system is in the — the problems it has, but if people wouldn’t have spent the money we would be OK.

Now, what I would like to do is to allow all the young people to get out of Social Security and go on their own. Now, the big question is, is how would the funding occur?

BLITZER: All right. Hold that thought for a minute, because I want Herman Cain to get involved.

Are you with Governor Perry that Social Security is a Ponzi scheme?

CAIN: I don’t care what you call it, it’s broken. And here’s my solution.

(APPLAUSE)

CAIN: Start with optional personal retirement accounts. In 1981, the Galveston County employees, they opted out because that was a very short window of opportunity. They took it.

Today, when people retire in Galveston County , Texas , they retire making at least 50 percent more than they would ever get out of Social Security.

(APPLAUSE)

Secondly, allow younger workers to have personal retirement accounts as an option.

Now, to answer this gentleman’s question, current seniors will not be affected. It’s to give the option to the younger workers.

The Galveston County model worked, and it also worked in the small country of Chile . Instead of giving it to the states, let’s give it back to the workers. That’s what personal retirement accounts will do.

(APPLAUSE)

BLITZER: Governor Huntsman, when it comes to reforming Social Security, is anything from your perspective off the table?

HUNTSMAN: I don’t think anything should be off the table except maybe some of the drama that’s playing out here on this floor today. I mean, to hear these two go at it over here, it’s almost incredible.

You’ve got Governor Romney, who called it a fraud in his book “No Apology.” I don’t know if that was written by Kurt Cobain or not. And then you’ve got Governor Perry, who is calling this a Ponzi scheme.

All I know, Wolf, is that we’re frightening the American people who just want solutions. And this party isn’t going to win in 2012 unless we get our act together and fix the problem.

We all know that we’ve got entitlement problems, we’ve got Medicare, we’ve got Social — the fixes are there. I mean, the Ryan plan is there, for heaven’s sake.

We’ve got the answers. We don’t have leadership. That’s the problem.

BLITZER: Speaker Gingrich, would you raise the retirement age for Social Security recipients?

GINGRICH: No, not necessarily, but let me start with — I’m not particularly worried about Governor Perry and Governor Romney frightening the American people when President Obama scares them every single day.

(APPLAUSE)

GINGRICH: This is eating into my time.

Let me just say to all of you –

BLITZER: Let me just pinpoint the question. What would you do to fix Social Security?

GINGRICH: OK. But can I also expand for a second? Because that was not a rhetorical joke.

President Obama twice said recently he couldn’t guarantee delivering the checks to Social Security recipients. Now, why should young people who are 16 to 25 years old have politicians have the power for the rest of their life to threaten to take away their Social Security?


Gingrich then went on to answer the question.

Fact is, the GOP candidates trailing so far behind Rick Perry, sort of have to go on the attack because the initial spike Perry received in polling did not dwindle after the newness of his candidacy wore off, but instead started expanding and the candidates naturally felt the need to try to take him down a notch.

Personally I don't think Gingrich stands a chance of becoming the GOP nominee to go up against Barack Obama in 2012, but I do hope he stays in the race until the end, because he does know how to keep the endgame in mind, which isn't what Republican candidate eventually receives the nomination, it is the battle that begins afterward against Barack Obama's campaign to be reelected for four more years of his policies and agenda.

A CNN poll yesterday showed that Perry has a double digit lead over all the other candidates and that the plurality of Republican voters feel he is more electable against Obama in 2012.

I believe after last night's debate, that still holds true.

At this point I see this GOP primary as a lead up to Rick Perry preparing for a major boxing bout against Barack Obama and the GOP candidates that piled up on him last night are the sparring partners helping him prepare.


[Update] Hot Air's Ed Morrissey: 'Newt as VP?" - Last night I summed up my feelings on Twitter about Gingrich, writing that I “[d]on’t want him as our nominee, but love having him on our side.”

PS- Next debate will be presented by Fox News, on September 22.

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Thursday, September 8, 2011

GOP Debate Linkfest From September 7, 2011


Fixing up some computer glitches today but wanted to provide some links to analysis, opinions and news from yesterday's Republican debate held at the Reagan Library in Simi Valley, California.

New York Times provides the entire transcript for those who want to read the questions and answers for yourselves instead of media and bloggers opinions.

Ann Althouse live blogged the debate so for as it happened reactions, visit her site.

Since the GOP debate is focused mainly towards conservatives and geared to helping them choose who will be the GOP nominee to run against Barack Obama in 2012, it will be links to conservatives and their opinions I will be pointing to.

RedState has "Perry vs. Romney" and concludes that Rick Perry is still the front runner in the GOP field of candidates after his performance in last night's debate.

Robert Stacy McCain over at RightWing News headlines with "Gov. Benzene: Huntsman a ‘Green’ Phony."

Stanley Kurtz at NRO hands the debate squarely to Rick Perry while pointing out the potential problems Perry will be faced with going forward.

QandO echoes much of what I am seeing from conservatives around the blogosphere and in the media, with "The Republican Debate–then there were two,", meaning Romney and Perry. The rest are in the race but at the moment they seem to be no more than background noise.

Kevin McCullough over at Hot Air's Green Room calls it "Rick Perry’s BIG Win!"

Bryan Preson at PJ Tatler scores the debate for Perry as well.

It is a two man race at this point and I also think Perry deserves the leader of the pack status. Romney appears too practiced, to smarmy at times, while Perry showed a very different side to himself. During his campaign stops Perry has often shot from the hip, doesn't worry about politically correct wording, but in last night's debate he obviously thought about his answers and would stop and carefully word them as to not allow himself to be misquoted or his answers misrepresented.

Many love the shoot from the hip style but also want their leader to know what time and place that style is appropriate and when it is not.

I did not specify answers and questions because there is a link above to the entire transcript and those that did not see the debate but want to know where candidates stand on issues, should read those answers for themselves, not depend on me or anyone else to tell them how to "interpret" them.



Related

WSJ with "Why They Cheered."

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Tuesday, June 14, 2011

The New Hampshire GOP Debate From An Undecided Voter



A few thoughts after watching the debate last night with the eyes of someone who hasn't made up my mind who I would vote for in 2012 but was interested in seeing the candidates speak and not just the sound bites the media likes to edit up, answers they cut portions from, or the spin they decide they want their readers to believe.

Media is supposed to report the news, bloggers give opinions and good bloggers, in my mind, provide links to the data that forms their opinions so that readers can look for themselves and determine if they agree or disagree.

CNN and King failed miserably. To much of a circus and King was more confrontational than a moderator should be and lacked even a pretended objectivity.

The GOP candidates were Mitt Romney, Tim Pawlenty, Michele Bachmann, Ron Paul, Rick Santorum, Herman Cain and Newt Gingrich.

I will admit upfront and honestly that I am one of the many that believe "anyone but Obama" is better than Obama and whoever the GOP nominates in the end will have my support because I personally believe the damage Obama has done will take decades to undo.

With that said, there are a few I simply cannot see getting that far. While I did not see any clear cut winners last night, I did find a few losers.

Tim Pawlenty, Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich, all three seemed to under perform, appeared to be boring almost with Gingrich seemingly defensive, argumentative and uncomfortable.

If I am to be totally honest, Pawlenty and Santorum actually bored me to the point that I started hearing a loud buzzzzzzzzzzzzzz in the my ears every time they answered a question. They simply do not have the charisma or personality needed to gain supporters in the numbers needed to win the GOP nomination.

Ron Paul, not my favorite candidate and his "spin" when asked about a five year old illegal and whether they should be treated medically if brought to the hospital was almost sad. Say yes, then explain how to address the problem so that question would not be relevant in the future but the beating around the bush did nothing but give the impression of evasiveness.

On the other hand, I was pleasantly surprised at some of Paul's other answers and while I did not become a fan overnight, I think he showed decently considering this is such an early debate in terms of the campaign season.

Herman Cain decently showed and probably gave him a little additional support because to me, his major disadvantage is that he doesn't have the name recognition the rest of the candidates have at this point. So, as an introduction to those that have never heard of him, it wasn't spectacular but he will be recognized now by more people.

Now to the meat and potatoes: Michele Bachmann and Mitt Romney.

Bachmann caught the spotlight early by announcing she had filed the paperwork to run. Her answers were clear and concise and many who only knew her through the media's attempt at spin by using soundbites to mislead their readers, were probably pleasantly surprised. She didn't pull punches, she was eloquent and she got her point across in a manner that made her likable, which right or wrong, a candidate must be to win in a general election.

I would not be surprised if she bumped up in the polls considerably after her performance last night.

Mitt Romney did well also. Romney has appeal, he speaks well, has executive experience and with the economy in the tank he was a strong candidate going in and remained so. He is likable, friendly even, has charisma and is knowledgeable on the issues of the day. In an election that most probably will be focused on jobs and economy, Romney should do very well.

I still maintain that a Rick Perry entry into this group would shake up the entire field in a good way and I am not the only one mentioning this again.


On the whole, stepping back from judging winners and losers within the GOP field, I think the GOP candidates made a politically smart move in uniting against Barack Obama, reminding viewers at every opportunity the mess he has made on healthcare, the economy and unemployment with lack of job recovery ideas.

Plenty of time to go up against each other in the upcoming months and argue ideas and individual plans, but showing respect to each other this early on and focusing on the Obama administrations failures was politically advantageous and smart.


Before hitting publish on this, it is worth mentioning an AP News Break which reports that "Former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman is getting into Republican presidential race."

Let me be the first to say "Big Whoop!".

[Update] CNN has the transcript from the debate up.

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